Simon Brearley is the Head of Athlete Development & Rehabilitation at Cranleigh School and a consultant strength & conditioning coach with England Golf, and the European Tour Health & Performance Institute (official providers of science and medicine services on the DP World Tour).
In this episode Simon discusses:
- The evolution of the program at Cranleigh School.
- How his role has had a more rehabilitation focussed element.
- The most common injuries he sees on a regular basis in school based athletes.
- The relationship many of these injuries have to training load and growth.
- Why he thinks youth S&C coaches should have a better understanding of common injuries.
You can listen to the episode in full here.
You can follow Simon’s work via his Twitter: @resolveperf .
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Rob Anderson
Welcome to the podcast. Simon. Thanks for your time this morning. It’s great to have you on.
Simon Brearley
No worries, Rob. Yeah, thanks. Thanks for inviting me on.
Rob Anderson
So before we dive into the professional life and life at cranly Give us a bit ofa walk down memory lane take us back to your own kind of time as a kid physical activity, sports and what that look like for you personally, what did you delve into and out of?
Simon Brearley
Yep, so growing up in Sheffield, All there is is football basically. So it was definitely football first early on.And then I remember at some point, just having the urge to do an individual sport as well. And I kind of like at that point that a little bit better for football and we weren’t doing that well as a side and stuff and so it kind of I was always quite quick played up front and decided to have a go athletics probably how old would I have been probably 13 ish. And yeah, so join City of Sheffield athletics club, which definitely had some decent athletes that interesting that was kind of looking back now quite a big thing really, in terms of sparking my interests in, in sports science because like, I definitely wasn’t one of the best when I first got there. And I remember I remember going out and buy in front Dick’s sports training principles, like 14 years old and sort of looking at how can I get better and just just natural curiosity really. But yes, I’ve kept on with that for a good while and I think you’d probably want to come on to ask me about what what inspired me to get into coaching and I think I didn’t have the best experience with my coach as an athlete just because as I said, I definitely wasn’t one of the better ones in the group. And we had a lot in particular who was like definitely going places and he ended up in the in the lane next Usain Bolt at Berlin I think. So basically all the coaches attention was on him and you’ve probably barely noticed that I even came to train it. And you know, that’s always made me think now when I work with youth athletes to always kind of acknowledge and make sure athletes are see and even if they’re not kind of one of the you know, one of the leaders in the pack sort of thing, but yeah, that was my my own sporting history real.
Rob Anderson
And so did you kind of take the conventional route go off to university and do sport science degree or is there a bit of a an alternative way for you?
Simon Brearley
Yeah, that was pretty conventional actually. Yeah, went to I always knew knew from very young and what to do sport science. Did that upper leaves Carnegie at the time Leeds University and then actually stayed on did an MSc came back to Sheffield actually did an MSc which there wasn’t strength conditioning MSCs at the time, but there was a there was a sport science programme which had very much in s&c Always was made up of s&c relevant modules. We had muscle functional mechanics scientific support those sort of things and was fortunate enough to have the late at winter teach me that muscle functional mechanics which was when I look back on now and I’m very grateful for and and then after that, yeah, went through accreditations usual internships working for free for a couple years usual stuff that most of us don’t and then and then into into work proper, I suppose. Yeah.
Rob Anderson
What are the first few steps of the coaching career look like? What did it take you what sort of sports organisations
Simon Brearley
Yep, so first of all, actually, I got I was lucky. I got an opportunity when I was doing my undergraduate degree through through a family connection actually to get into Huddersfield Town Football Club. So that was my first exposure went in there as a sport science intern 2008 Nine ish. And, and then yeah, worked in loads of gyms as well in that time. Just just regular stuff. And then I suppose my first proper s&c role was still an internship actually, but that was down at Surrey Sports Park and Sora on the James wild, so that was a really good learning experience. And at that time, did a bit with Super League netball with Ian storystorm. Got some experts with British judo. The visually impaired squad as well which was good. Did a little bit longer school route here called Reed School, which is a big tennis school. ended up doing some speed, being like a sort of speed and agility consultant there. Did a bit of theory cricket, and it was kind of bitty through that time and then ended up then getting the role at cranly school. And that’s more than a decade ago now or almost a decade ago, so been here ever since.
Rob Anderson
That’s really interesting though. s&c world is so small, I didn’t know we had that bit of that mutual ground. I actually went for a job interview at Reed school at one point and a been hanging out. Yeah, maybe it was either got the same ride, I don’t know. But it’s such a small world, isn’t it that you there’s always some crossover between people even if you think it’s, you’re far apart.
Simon Brearley
Yeah, massive light. And at that point as well. There really wasn’t many s&c in school roles was unsurprising. Really, if we were both kind of looking at that sort of thing that was straight. I think Reed’s answer must be one of the first schools to have a programme, I reckon. Yeah. So you’re interested.
Rob Anderson
So tell us a bit about currently, obviously, you know, off off air, we were kind of discussing how every school is different, whether it’s private or independent, or state schools are everyone’s kind of set up s&c delivery in a slightly different way. So give us a bit of an overview of how it works at currently school, what your kind of remit is who you’re working with?
Simon Brearley
Yeah, I think the initial recruitment probably made it quite different in terms of role because it was actually a sport and exercise medicine consultant who kind of spearheaded my recruitment. That was Dr. Mike Bonda, who’s quite a well known SEM, he was kind of a sports doc for England rugby for a long time. But it was an old currently, and, and he was probably quite forward thinking in a way in terms of, we always had, he always run a clinic of two or three times a week, and then we had physios. And I think he realised that the kids weren’t quite getting the input that they needed. And they were, you know, the injuries were recurring. And, you know, they just weren’t, they weren’t kind of we weren’t having those. He saw that the injury burden was rising. And he probably thought, yeah, and, you know, there’s a good place for an SEC here within the kind of small MDT that we had to that probably set up the role to be quite different, because it wasn’t like a deputy head or headmaster who kind of spearheaded the recruitment. So I’ve always had quite a, I’ve always had that. Sports, injury management and rehab focused my role here, as well as the usual athletic development stuff. But yes, as you say, We’re in independent school, we’re probably about 75%, boarding, or maybe a bit more even. And we’re co ed. So girls and boys. But yeah, like you mentioned to me before, before we came on about the differences and you know, how much I was involved or integrated with PE department and stuff like that. And, yeah, we don’t even have a PE department. Like, are we actually we do academic PE now at a level and we just just started at GCSE as well, actually, for years and years, we’ve had no PE, it’s just a game to programme. So pros and cons to that, I suppose I it took me quite a few years to persuade our deputy head academic to actually let me see the high performance pupils during the school day. But I can’t do that now. So that’s, that’s made my role a lot better, because I can kind of use the time, a lot better through the day, rather than having to squeeze everything in early mornings, or after school and stuff. And also, independent schools tend to have a bit more of a stretched out timetable. Anyway. So typically, the live lessons till, like lunchtime, they might have one less than after lunch, and then they have kind of like a priority time. And that’s kind of the key slot for me when I see a lot of the high performance athletes. So yeah, so it’s actually got quite a nice balance to the day now.
Rob Anderson
It’s interesting, because often, you know, a lot of these see roles in schools, the person recruiting doesn’t necessarily have the background understanding to know what the role should entail. So they’re often you know, we want we know we want s&c We don’t really know what they’re meant to be doing. You know, we want one was, it seems like in your situation, maybe the person headed spearheading that had already kind of got the background experience and knowledge to know this is what we’re really needing.
Simon Brearley
Yeah. 100% Yeah, that’s exactly what I was getting at. Yeah. Which was probably a good really good thing to be fair. Yeah.
Rob Anderson
So in terms of your you obviously, you know, said the performance athletes side of things, so give us an understanding of how many athletes you see across the week. Is it just yourself if you’ve got any other assistant coaches or staff members that exist for delivery etc?
Simon Brearley
Yeah, so so when I was appointed, yeah, I was just appointed as a solitary s&c Coach, but and then I had the physios to work within the sports doc and mainly took referrals from them. The program’s grown quite a lot i in terms of numbers of athletes. I’ll give you an overview of the structure first. We have high performance programme. So we’ve got high performance pupils. They’re only technically at sixth form. And we’ve got a pathway underneath that. So in terms of high performance pupils at sixth form, like we try and keep that genuinely high performance, so it’s really pupils to a genuinely like looking to transition to professional sport. So that varies a bit each year, but this year, I’ve probably got about a dozen of those. But it probably has been as high as maybe not quite 20, but 1518. And then underneath that, in terms of the HPP pathway, there’s tonnes I mean, we, we probably have about 80 Sports scholars meaning that they’ve well not meaning that they’ve had any sort of bursary necessarily, but yeah, that I’ve been given a sports scholarship, probably about 80 or two that have been awarded one. And the sports are rugby, cricket and hockey mainland. And although we do have some swimmers, some athletes, some riders as well, actually another minority sports in terms of delivery. So I’ve now got an assistant s&c coach, and we’ve actually done this year but we’ve we’ve had a couple of interns as well, usually. And then we’ve now it’s a little bit more formalised now we’ve got a lead physio, although he’s not employed by the school as a consultant, but he’s very much assigned leader, which is helpful. And then we have the SEM consultant. And, and then, you know, in terms of a wider team, we’ve got a medical centre nurses. And then obviously, you know, the directors of sport and and their staff who do the coaching deliver it, that’s, that’s kind of the setup.
Rob Anderson
It’s interesting, because, you know, kind of starting to see a pattern with schools, maybe they fit certain templates, one is coming out s&c from a very kind of medical and injury kind of situation. So it starts out maybe there is a physio that starts and as you’ve kind of suggested realises, okay, we’re triaging all these symptoms, but the problem actually is perhaps a lack of robustness or a lack of, you know, strength or power that is leading to these issues. So we almost need to go and reverse engineer, get someone to take care of that. So that stemmed the flow of injuries, etc. So it’s interesting to hear how these programmes evolve over the years.
Simon Brearley
Yeah. And actually, I’m, I mean, I’m probably jumping ahead a bit. But I think initially, I did quite well, in the role in terms of having a big impact on individuals. What I’m trying to do a bit more recently is have a little bit more impact at scale, and address exactly what you what you’ve just touched on there in terms of, you know, what, over the A, I did, like an eight year audit of a sports injury clinic, and I’ve tried to identify why, you know, what is the crime, the school specific injury burden? What are the unknown biomechanical risk factors associated with them injuries? And then what could I teach coaches to go and roll out on pitch to try and influence those those biomechanical risk factors, and almost try and have a bit more impact at scale now, rather than just, you know, doing a good job with individuals, so it’s not an easy task? It’s quite challenging, isn’t it to sort of have that sort of input?
Rob Anderson
I mean, there’s certainly templates for that, isn’t it like, now we’re seeing more and more, you know, rugby, we’ve got the activate programme for FIFA 11 Plus, even in dance the dance live and plus, like starting to see these at scale warmup slash injury prevention protocol has been put in place for 510 15 minutes of a training session. And it’s something that speaking to coaches more and more, that’s exactly as you’re saying, where they can see their impact and saying, Hey, if we create a bit more structure around this and a bit more continuity between coaches or between sports, we can get a bit more control of these these sort of issues. So you’ve obviously talked about doing the kind of background research into into being able to produce something how would you go about the more interpersonal element of getting coaches on board or trying to have those discussions? Yeah.
Simon Brearley
Well, tangible tangibly speaking, it’s normally through insects, and we just had one actually, but it’s quite challenging to even get a slot on the insect programme to be honest. So like, they’re always like, quite Yeah, packed. But yeah, I mean, it’s easier with the directors of sport, or I have a bit more contact with because I tend to meet with them at least once a fortnight and, you know, like, rather than RAM in these sorts of down throw in terms of like a one den session, I can kind of just kind of drip feed information like, oh, you know, it’d be really good if you could include this in a warm up for Emily at the moment because she’s got this or whatever, and actually, and then I could kind of go on to say actually, to be honest, you know, they’d all benefit from that. Anyway, like that sort of stuff in a world like that. and you get on to just naturally chatting about, well, what do you do in a warm up and you know, yada, yada, yada. So I suppose it’s just building the relationship first so that they actually have some respect for you.
Rob Anderson
It’s a catch 22. So with these things is like, I had a good friend of mine, Tom Snell, when we were working together, he said, You know, there’s no point talking to athletes about recovery, when they feel good, you have to wait to their feel bad and respect. It’s almost like, you know, in advance, okay, we should probably be doing something about this. But it doesn’t necessarily pique people’s interest until there is two or three injuries were like, Hey, we’re getting a lot of ankle sprains without your Yeah, whatever it is that well, actually, I’m glad you can, because we could do something about that. Yeah.
Simon Brearley
And it’s so funny, actually, you say that, because I think one of the reasons I embraced the sports injury management and rehab stuff is that I found it like, probably even more rewarding than the usual athletic development stuff. Because, as you say, once kids have had an injury all of a sudden, then they kind of start reflecting that. They’re not unbreakable. And actually, like, I found in there often the times where I really get the buy in from them. And then even when the injury is resolved, and stuff, and they’re back to, you know, normal schedules, they’re still very bought internationally after that. So yeah, I think that’s a good point. Yeah,
Rob Anderson
it’s a dealing with teenage athletes are always invincible until that first thing and then you know, especially if a significant injury is a couple of months on the sideline, you suddenly realise, oh, I don’t want to repeat of that. Oh, it’s
Simon Brearley
like, the world’s ended in it. Sometimes it’s, it’s, it’s such a big deal to some of them and such a big deal to the parents as well. It’s unbelievable, actually, what the parents sometimes how, you know, you’ll have a kid with, like, genuinely a fracture. And, and they’ll sort of say, you know, can’t a play? Can’t you speed it up? No, he’s, he’s got a broken leg in there. So sport is such a big, like, part of not only the kids life, often, but the parent as well, to be honest. So, yeah, that’s a big deal. Yeah.
Rob Anderson
So one of the things that inevitably happened in these sort of situations where someone’s been in a role like yourself for a period of time, and maybe you’ve been at the, you know, the establishment of a programme is, you know, often you kind of get hired, and maybe you don’t, you’ve all you’ve got as a sports or you’ve got as a tiny cupboard gym, or wherever. So how have that look like for you on day one, we cast your mind back, was it? Here you go, we’ve got you employed, here’s an empty room, or was there anything available from a facilities perspective
Simon Brearley
for you? No, it was the cupboard. You got it, it was the cupboard to start with. That was fun, but not very long, actually, they were pretty good. We got quite a nice facility was an old Bulwark wood workshop. And, yeah, basically get that out as a gym, and then just build on it over the years. But actually, as we speak, they’re about to start work doing an extension on the main sports centre as well. And we’re going to have a second, we’re going to almost now have like a sports performance facility, and then a health and wellbeing facility, which which will be good, because, you know, as well as the performance stuff, we’re also just trying to promote physical activity and wellness in you know, for all the kids at the school, we’ve got, like, you know, just shy of 100 kids, I think here, so that’s obviously really important as well. So, yeah, so no, do pretty lucky on the facilities from and then also, you know, we’ve got a lot of outdoor space, and acres and acres, and we’ve got, you know, multiple tennis courts, 4g pitchers, you know, very, very well kept, grounds team do a great job of keeping the grass, you know, usable all year round, and all that sort of thing. So, yeah, no, I couldn’t, I couldn’t complain about facilities.
Rob Anderson
And obviously, as, as, as you kind of put in doing an eight year audit, I mean, that’s a mammoth task a one year audit is difficult enough, nevermind eight years, you know, coupled with the fact that you’ve, you’ve obviously proven your worth across multiple dimensions to be able to go and say, hey, you know, we maybe perhaps need more space or need more facilities or more equipment. So a fair bit of background on taking you’ve done to kind of like, identify issues, you can make an impact in and show the impact you’re making. In terms of, you know, objectively it always comes down to statistics in the end, doesn’t it in terms of we’ve managed to do this with X amount of injuries or this percent, etc.
Simon Brearley
Yeah, and I think that’s so important. That’s some advice that I’d give to any, any young practitioner starting out, whatever organisation actually is to just remember to you know, kind of kind of log everything like all your achievements and an audit everything so that, you know, when it comes to influencing the stakeholders, you know, you’ve got good objective stuff to support it. And that’s even from a selfish point of view of your own kind of purse prefer national development in the role of being able to say, look, I deserve a promotion or, you know, whatever it may be. No one else is going to do that for you. You got to do it yourself, you know, and but yeah, on the audit that was, like, say it was hard work. But I think to be honest, most of the hard work still to come, because I’ve not really I’ve analysed that myself, kind of roughly, but I probably need some help actually from, from some other people to kind of go through that a little bit more robustly. And, yeah, actually, I’d be keen to collaborate on that if there’s anyone out there listening from an academic point of view, who’s got an interest in, in that area. So
Rob Anderson
just reflecting on those, it’s kind of pinned up something to my mind, in that you often see a coaches sort of transitioning through school always very quickly, 18 months, two years, and, and I feel like sometimes people feel like, perhaps the role is not expanding, or things aren’t developing. But I think maybe there’s a part to that in what you said, and that they’re not collecting any sort of objective data. And in some ways, we’re in a very beneficial position all the time. So we can almost paint our own criteria, and said, Okay, well, I’m going to think I’m really going to care about sprint speed, or it’s going to be injuries, or it’s gonna be this because we can almost pick our own metric to then report back on, but I feel like potentially, in those situations where people are transitioning very quickly, they haven’t bought into the importance of what you’ve just said, around, you know, collecting data, even if it is for 12 months, two years before you do anything with it. And then looking back when you’ve got a bulk of data, say, Okay, what, what areas can we really impact is, is it a performance thing is an injury thing? Okay, here’s the you know, how we’re going to improve the programme going forward? I feel like that’s not really done enough. Because sometimes, as we kind of alluded to before, is the person recruiting you doesn’t really know what you do? They don’t really have maybe the criteria to assess you. And if you’re not putting that accountability in yourself, yeah, perhaps doesn’t exist. And it’s just I will that Simon, he does the s&c stuff in the gym cupboard? And that’s it, you know, we don’t read that. We can’t say Oh, well, actually, he’s reduced injuries by 30%. Across hockey and cricket and rugby. Yeah, there’s a big difference there.
Simon Brearley
Yeah, exactly. And, you know, yeah, you can think there’s another conversation piece there around building the role that you want. You know, like, the role that you step into doesn’t necessarily, like when I stepped into this role, it wasn’t the role that I wanted. But over a decade, I’ve managed to sort of by influencing, you know, those kind of senior leadership positions up, I’ve managed to actually build something, the exact role that I want, and when it does come to the time when, when I move on, and I’m surprised I’ve been here 10 years, to be honest. But when it when it comes to that point, I’ll be it’ll be a role that I don’t want to leave, because it’s very, you know, like, you know, I’ve built a good thing over time, but it takes time takes a lot of time. So
Rob Anderson
I think that’s a really important factor. Actually, speaking to a lot of people, one of the things that, that stands out about excellent programmes, whether that’s in a private club, or an academy or school is continuity is having having, you know, obviously, you tend to be adding staff members, that having that potential potential figurehead or continuity between the staff to kind of continue the development of the programme rather than chopping and changing every two years or three years, because someone different comes in, there’s no kind of previous template of what they were doing or track record, and we go this direction now. And then someone comes to us, we go this direction, I think everyone wins when there’s that continuity. And if we’ve got the ability to shape that and just kind of say, Okay, here’s my bigger vision, long term huddle, how do I influence stakeholders, or athletes or parents to, you know, create a bigger footprint in the school or, you know, a wider reach of access? I think everyone wins, because there’s, there’s more continuity in terms of the delivery, there’s more continuity in terms of those relationships with the key stakeholders, and it’s a win win scenario, people are prepared to invest the time to do that.
Simon Brearley
Yeah. And I think it takes some kind of maturity to do that. Like, I like to think if I if I walked into a role where someone had set up a programme and and that had been running for 10 years, I wouldn’t just come in and thing like blindside that and go, Oh, this is what I want to do it, I would try and look at, you know, what their, what they’ve done, what’s what’s working really well and keep those elements, you know, rather than trying to change it just for the sake of Yeah, I’m new, and it’s time for change sort of thing. Yeah.
Rob Anderson
I think maybe what we’re really talking about here is like, almost like what’s the the identity of the s&c programming school? You know, what’s its what’s its function? What’s objectives, what what are the things we measure it by? And that really varies massively school to school, isn’t it where some people are really switched on and, and have a strong identity of this is what our programme is here to do. And here’s how we’re going to do it versus other ways. Other places works. We’ve got an SSE programme, but there’s no clear kind of thought or strategy around it. And as you say, when someone else comes in, they might come in with a new ideas. And so that continuity is lost. Yeah.
Simon Brearley
Yeah, just start again, and the cycle continues.
Rob Anderson
And I think it does take time to create that, as you said, whether that is from coming from an injury prevention perspective or a performance perspective. But as you said, sometimes it’s difficult, especially when you’re the only coach and you know, you maybe don’t have a sounding board have an assistant coach to, to throw some ideas around or you know, you’re so on the tools that you don’t have time to step back and go, Okay, what’s the vision for this programme? Yeah, definitely
Simon Brearley
direction can be hard. Yeah.
Rob Anderson
So talk us through. Obviously, it was a big kind of injury management, injury burden kind of perspective. What does that look like? So when an athlete gets injured at Cranley? What’s what’s the kind of process that they go through?
Simon Brearley
Yep. So they would, typically, we have a rapid access physio clinic. So they’re available every day. So that’s kind of the first port of call. And it’s interesting because it used to be the SEM, that would always see them first. But I think what we found is that probably wasn’t the best use of time for the for the SEM consultant, a lot of the stuff, which were kind of MSK stuff could be better, you know, evaluated by a physio. So we still have so that so sorry, yeah. So they’ll go in the rapid access physio clinic, and then they’ll make a decision whether, you know, do they need follow up physio? Is it something actually where they want them to refer back to the sports doctor? Or do they just need referring sometimes it’s just to s&c or Are they fine, and there’s nothing wrong with it, and they can just kind of continue or you know, something that’ll just settle in a couple of days. So that’s basically the process and, and in the med centre, obviously, from the kind of admin and management oversight point of view, we’re kind of in on everything. So yeah, that’s that’s basically how it works.
Rob Anderson
One of the things I don’t know if you’ve had the same experiences and one of the things I worked in a school that had a had an MDT comm team, one of which was a physio and we found a lot of times when, when athletes now had access to a physio didn’t have previously but suddenly a whole lot of injuries came out the woodwork. And suddenly, it was like physio every day when you’re like, well, actually, that’s not you know, you’ve just got dumped or you’re not really injured, or that’s, you know, not really wanting that didn’t was there a bit around athlete education, when they get access to visit, you kind of got to kind of always upskill them and understand their body a bit better.
Simon Brearley
Well, I’m sure that was that was probably part of the reasons why we have this switch from them always seeing the sports doctor first to actually just be triaged by rapid access physio. Because, like say, like, that didn’t happen a lot of the time, there might be DOMs A, or they’ve got, I don’t know, like just a very acute reactive tendinopathy which we know is gonna settle in a couple of days anyway and just doesn’t lead to worse the decay time basically. So that Yeah, but like, no, to be honest, though, like there’s there’s probably a few who have that kind of outlook on physio, but to be honest, most of them by the looks on the faces don’t want to be there. So we don’t have too much of an issue in terms of like, them, monopolising the physios time or anything thankful?
Rob Anderson
And is there in terms of like the kind of more overall development of the athletes? What does it look like from a sort of nutrition performance lifestyle elements? Is there any aspect of that to the delivery score? Is there external workshops, etc? Yeah, that’s
Simon Brearley
something that we could definitely grow actually. And I’ve been trying to push that in recent years, but there is there is some there is something there. So for any pupils on the High Performance programme, they have a number of talks each year, which are kind of chaired by the director of sport. And yeah, a lot of those will be topics related to nutrition and recovery, performance lifestyle, and we get a lot of X currently into and our professional athletes coming in to chat to them, which is quite nice. So we had all the England cricketer left to know I get I get so mixed up about how many years ago pupils have left to be fair. And then, you know, we’ve got realised like cute Huizar, who’s now in the senior England rugby squad, or wider squad. So like, it’s nice when boys can come back and they’re like, big role models for the kids. But yeah, at the moment, that nutrition stuff and lifestyle stuff, it’s a bit of a mix of internal and, and the odd external, but I’d like to probably formalise that a bit better actually, to be fair,
Rob Anderson
is that usually aimed at the athletes, athletes and parents together or a mixture of both?
Simon Brearley
It’s normally the athletes actually. Just you know, because they’re like borders, and they’re here and it’s just easier to kind of do that. But actually, what would what we’d probably like to do and we’ve done this for the sports stocks has done this for concussion actually, he set up a series of little mini videos that go on our website and it’s just education around concussion. And actually bad work quite well I think as a format for nutrition to for the parents. Because it’s funny, we had a new sports doctor come in recently and he’s his specialty is concussion If and when he now alerts pupils, parents that if a pupils had a concussion, he doesn’t use the word concussion. He uses the word traumatic brain injury. Because basically what it is, but all of a sudden, the parents take notice and then this amount of blood because otherwise they read a concussion, I don’t care. So those those little bits of education pieces he’s done on concussion on the website, I’ve been really useful to probably some following a similar format, I’d be useful to get other parents a bit more. Yeah, it’s really